Just a point of fact, but the health care bill Obama signed on Tuesday is *law*. The only way the GOP can toss it is to repeal it, and that ain't gonna happen without a whole lot more GOP asses in the seats in both the Senate and the House, and someone besides Obama wielding the veto pen.
The bill the GOP is trying to scuttle is the reconciliation bill, which amends the current law. If the GOP in the Senate manage to get any amendments to *that* bill, it goes back to the House for passage. The way the Dem Senators are going, it's unlikely the GOP will succeed before the 20 hours of debate are up (which therefore precludes filibuster), at which time the Senate must vote on the bill. I'm betting it passes.
The reconciliation bill will pass, yes. The tactic undertaken by the GOP is to offer all sorts of tasty amendments knowing that if any of them pass, then the whole mess has to go back to the House, and they know the Dems aren't going to allow that.
So instead, they are getting the Dems on record shooting down all these reasonable-sounding amendments, fulling intending to use these votes A> to try to show the Dems to be the sleazebags; and B> generating fodder for the upcoming elections with sound bites showing Dems opposing all these reasonable-sounding things, like this amendment now being voted on that was offered by Bailey-Hutchinson, extending the provision revoking the "marriage penalty". It will now go on the record that Dems are for the marriage penalty, gosh darn it.
Which makes for good politics if politics is only about power. But if it's about morality and leadership, it's a piss-poor example and yet more proof why the GOP should be run out of town on a rail.
Interesting- you should listen to CSPAN2 on the internet on headphones. Lot of interesting background chatter, including one Senator mentioning something about " a lot of shit ".
Oh, and another Senator cast his vote and then quickly had to correct himself, saying "I forgot how to vote" and earlier a staffer saying "I really need a coke right now."
I think they're preaching to the choir at this point, I really do. Loved the "Viagra to child molesters" ploy.
Trying to remember who said it today on which show where (which shows I'm totally in media overload and should put the computer and television down and go read some Gaskell or Austen or something), but whoever the hell it was wasn't at all surprised that even with the tough to ignore amendments, the Democratic Senators were standing fast and would continue to do so because they promised the House Dems that they would. And I say "Bravo!"
Also, yes, the GOP has become the Party of Slime.
I always need to take some deep breathes before reading one of your entries. I feel like a zen master practicing self-restraint.
November can't come soon enough.
I don't think either side is going to be happy when it does, if I'm being honest.
The 2010 elections are going to be ugly. People are pissed off at politicians in general.
The GOP still has way too much infighting and the passage of the healthcare bill is drying up funding and support. The teabaggers are driving away moderates like you wouldn't believe. At least that loyalty quiz thing didn't pass. Instead they're going to fight it out in primaries across the nation, and something tells me a lot of winning candidates are going to be pushed aside in favor of angry loudmouths, and lose.
More to the point, their popularity is still in the toilet, largely thanks to nobody telling the teabaggers to shut up and start acting civil.
We've got eight months, anything could happen. But honestly I think nobody's going to be happy with the results.
The thing is, Matt, most of the damage done to/by the GOP is self-inflicted. Dan has it right- the GOP hasn't reigned in the kooks and nutters of the party. The reaction by the top people in the GOP to this latest string of slurs and threats against Democrats is tepid at best. They made what is now acknowledged as a terrible decision to totally withdraw from the health care debate and now at the last moment, try to reinject themselves into the process. They put themselves out at the party of fiscal restraint, yet during the Bush and Reagan years, ran up mind-blowing deficits. And even in the last presidential election, voters ran screaming from the GOP, a warning sign if ever there was one.
Now, we did have this Scott Brown thing, a symbol of the whole "let's throw the rascals out" populism that's sweeping the country, for good or ill. But even Brown is turning out, in the short time he's been in office, to be a GOP puppet, rather than a maverick- witness his abrupt turn-around the past few days from saying on camera that he wanted to read the reconciliation bill to the next morning saying he's dead-set against it.
We all know what happened- after his rather reasonable quote about wanting to take some time to understand the bill hit the airwaves, his cellie started burning up with phone calls from Boehner et al reaming him a new asshole, and like a 6 year old that just got their ass beaten, he dutifully fell into line, and in the process, totally shot to shit his mavericky image.
And what's this shit with the April 19th bring a gun to DC thing- on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, fer chrissakes? Does anyone in the GOP think, on this of all days, that this is a good thing? Goddamn, why don't they pass out 12 year old drunk boys for the mob to molest while they're at it- it couldn't be any worse a PR nightmare for the GOP. Yet nobody's told the organizers "look, just pick any of the other 363 days." Nope.
2010-03-25 02:23 pm (UTC)
Remember this greatest hit from January?
Oh, by the way, HANDS OFF OUR HEALTH CARE!
Does anybody know if the daily no-business-after-2PM votes are recorded anywhere ? I'd love to see how our "different kind of Republican" has been voting in that regard.
On Monday, Brown said he hadn't yet read the reconciliation bill. I hope he's found the time now!
I'm sure there's a record somewhere. What was interesting was that not a single ranking Republican in any of the committees claimed to know who filed the objection to continuing business past 2.
And when Brown flip-flopped, he didn't say "I have now read the bill and object to X/Y/Z."
I looked at a different section- you looked at the roll call section. Best I could find was this from the Judiciary Committee: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r111:14:./temp/~r111RPDDvQ
:: It did not give who requested the cut-off.
And if McCain's to be believed, we're going to see a lot more of this, as the GOP is now determined to bring the entire government to a screeching halt. Which, I am sure, will thrill the Know-Nuttin' teabagger douchbags, but isn't going to do much for people who don't get all their "information" via swill enemas from Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity. And btw, love that one of the Right's screaming heads, who rails constantly about "socialistic handouts", was caught with his hand in the honey pot, with his family getting a $250,000 federal handout.
The party is a stinking fucking disease-ridden corpse that should be dragged outside, doused with gasoline, and torched. Seeing them sit by and allowing all the shit go down- racial/homophobic slurs, death threats against members of Congress and their families, and the attacks on offices of Democrats.... they've lost any moral authority.
Yeah, ironic seeing these two sentences together.
(And yeah, I condemn violence from anyone. I'll protest with my vote... and I'm still planning on voting for Libertarian candidates, because I don't trust the GOP much more than I do the Dems.)
One's a metaphor lodged against an idea, the other is a specific threat. Kinda like the difference between "I want this health care bill to die a slow and agonizing public death" and "I am going to kill Congressman X for voting for this".
And Libertarian is certainly a viable alternative to the GOP, and I think the Libertarian Party is going to see a number of new supporters. The question will be if the Libertarian Party will make the same mistake the GOP is now making and court those who are espousing violence and hatred.
To me, that's the most amazing thing about the GOP. They lost the last election on large count because of Palin. She (rightly so) scared the hell out of moderates, who went screaming in the other direction to the Dems.
But rather than learn the lessons of the last election, they are swinging even further right and the spectacle of Boehner's mealy-mouthed denunciation/blaming the victim of the recent violence/slurs and Steele standing idly by is not going to play well to the squishy middle. Oh sure, talk radio is going to eat up this "sticking to the guns", if you'll pardon the rather sick pun, but a lot of people are turned off by the GOP courting the sickos and psychos.